Many of the Vista programs, like Windows Explorer, Photo Gallery, and Windows Live Mail, no longer show animated gif files. WLM will to show
I just checked, and apparently Earthlink doesn't. They use a different port, but they don't require SSL/TLS.
Gmail, however, does require SSL.
I think the problem was I don't recall that he mentioned the fact that
he was using Outlook Express to access MSN/Hotmail/Windows Live
However, one can apparently still access Hotmail via POP/SMTP, as Thunderbird 3.x automatically sets itself up to access Hotmail via POP.
abbreviated version of another (Outlook)? Let's try this Live thing --
if I don't like it I can always try the work-around or another e-mail client.
Might I suggest that you start looking at another email client,
say something like Thunderbird? Before we started the Win 7 beta,
rumour had it (from some dead on reliable sources) that Win 7
would no longer include Windows Mail, so I went looking for a
replacement. Obviously, WLM was my first "look".... and very
shortly after that, I went looking at others. In the end, I
decided to use Outlook, but WLM never made it into even the top
20 possibilities.
As you indicated, they probably did a mass mailing based on "Outlook Express = True, Qwest address = True" sort of thing. LIS, I would have
Did you ever look at which email address it came to? I would
actually suspect, knowing what I know now about the situation,
that it had nothing to do with Qwest, and that MSFT sent it to
all Hotmail users (I even vaguely recall getting something, but
since I don't do Hotmail via POP3...) at their Hotmail address,
which would make it far more directed than normal spam. And
because you had OE set to get your Hotmail emails via POP3, you
saw it in OE, not on the Hotmail site...
earlier message, I looked for but didn't find anything on the Qwest site indicating Outlook Express was on its way out. (Or at least having to be modified from what currently works.) Seems to me that would have been
As noted above, I doubt that Qwest had anything to do with it. It
was strictly MSFT, who changed Hotmail settings, not Qwest that
changed anything. And I would hazard a guess that OE would still
work for Qwest emails... just not for Hotmail ones, as it no
longer supports POP3 access other than in the costly "Premium"
service. And this isn't just for OE, but for any POP3 client.
Outlook would work because it is not only a POP3 client...
abbreviated version of another (Outlook)? Let's try this Live thing --
if I don't like it I can always try the work-around or another e-mail
client.
Thunderbird 3 automatically sets itself up for Hotmail. I would
assume it works for MSN as well. Of course, you know what
happens when you assume. <G>
As you indicated, they probably did a mass mailing based on "Outlook
Express = True, Qwest address = True" sort of thing. LIS, I would have
It wasn't based on your ISP. Microsoft itself was dropping
support for accessing their e-mail properties via the "Webdav"
feature. You can, apparently, still access it via POP3/SMTP.
assume it works for MSN as well. Of course, you know what
happens when you assume. <G>
Format C:/ ? <gg>
see anything on Qwest's website -- IMO really strange!
Okay... I have a Gmail account, but I access it via the web, and not GH>POP3, simply because, like my Hotmail account, it is a spam catcher.
really want to use that site (most times, if they insist, I go elsewhere),I
will give either the Hotmail or Gmail account...
Right... MSFT stopped WebDAV access (via Outlook Express) but has POP3 GH>access, as above, instead, which also works in OE... you just have to
set it up as a "regular" email account, not a Hotmail one..
assume it works for MSN as well. Of course, you know whatFormat C:/ ? <gg>
happens when you assume. <G>
No. You make an a** out of u and me. <G>
see anything on Qwest's website -- IMO really strange!
Speaking of strange: the missing laptop hard drive showed up
yesterday. It was on my desk when I got here to the office this
morning. Don't know where it was for a week, but glad it finally
made it. Now, I get the fun of transferring stuff over from the
20GB drive to the 160GB drive, likely over a USB port. Can you
say: take a LONG time?? <G>
Many of the Vista programs, like Windows Explorer, Photo Gallery, and Windows Live Mail, no longer show animated gif files. WLM will to show
OK, you say so... I never use animated GIF files, so wouldn't
know.
pop3.live.com is the server Thunderbird uses to access my Hotmail
account.
It's amazing how much junk shows up at an address that I hardly use.
It's amazing how much junk shows up at an address that I hardly use.
My Hotmail accounts are spam catchers, too <GG>
First off - wow! What happened? No messages in here for the better
part of a week?
Did everyone pack up and go home?
Not seeing what the major differences are between it and Vista though. DP>Mostly back-end stuff maybe?
First off - wow! What happened? No messages in here for the better DP>part of a week?
I've posted some messages. Sure, I haven't posted as many since I quit using NNTP and stuck with the handy dandy .qwk packets, but... <G>
Not seeing what the major differences are between it and Vista though. DP>Mostly back-end stuff maybe?
I think Windows 7 is what Vista SP1 or SP2 *should* have been. They
fixed *most*, but not all the kinks/issues with Vista.
I like some of the interface changes between Vista and Windows 7. I especially like being able to "pin" several shortcuts to various Word templates we use on a daily basis, to one Word icon on the taskbar. It groups shortcuts associated with a particular app to one icon. Just right-click the Word icon on the taskbar, and pick which template you
need, and off you go.
First off - wow! What happened? No messages in here for the
better part of a week?
Did everyone pack up and go home?
Secondly: I've just purchased and installed Windows 7 Home
Premium 64- bit. Spent the better of the day getting all of my
programs re- installed and they seem to be working just fine now.
Maybe my pointers got screwed up. I just logged in yesterday after not DP>grabbing a packet for a week and downloaded seven messages, which was DP>kind of strange.
I've tried out Aero shake and "pinning" stuff you open most often to
the Taskbar. Those are nice. Need to do some more exploring, I guess.
At the time Windows Live was the cheap-and-easy fix to regain my e-mail. ...Not saying it's good, just was the easiest way. <g>
because you had OE set to get your Hotmail emails via POP3, you
saw it in OE, not on the Hotmail site...
This line?
Received: from servera05.tk2adsmtp4.msn.com ([207.46.222.225]) by bay0-mc12-f19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668);
Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:12:14 -0700
There's also:
Return-Path: communications@microsoft.msn.com
Yes, in a recent search (past week or so) did find information on how to alter Outlook Express to work; I don't recall seeing the detailed instructions when I was looking for it last year. (I also noted the copyright on the PDF instructions was 2010 -- about six months after the change.)
I'm not that enthralled with accessing my e-mail via a web page. I use
one when I have to, but I prefer getting my e-mail via something like Thunderbird or Outlook.
start getting spam at that disposable address, you know who sold/gave away/spammed your e-mail address, and can disable that address.
First off - wow! What happened? No messages in here for the
better part of a week?
Did everyone pack up and go home?
Or they left home and didn't remember to brig anything to keep in
contact with! ...I was 'missing' messages for at least three days --
was wondering if something happened.
Secondly: I've just purchased and installed Windows 7 Home
Premium 64- bit. Spent the better of the day getting all of my programs re- installed and they seem to be working just fine now.
That's good. Still running XP here and will probably stay with it.
Maybe my pointers got screwed up. I just logged in yesterday after not DP>grabbing a packet for a week and downloaded seven messages, which was DP>kind of strange.
It has slacked off a bit. I guess these things go in spurts.
I've tried out Aero shake and "pinning" stuff you open most often to DP>the Taskbar. Those are nice. Need to do some more exploring, I guess.
I haven't tried Aero shake. I've read about it, but still don't get the concept, I guess.
First off - wow! What happened? No messages in here for the better part of a week?
I'm sorry... I've been busy... tax season and all... <GG>
"there", butNot seeing what the major differences are between it and Vista though. Mostly back-end stuff maybe?
Mostly back end stuff, yes. Security is tighter, but yet, less
noticeable to the user. A lot of other stuff, some of which are not
"not there"...
A lot of eye candy changes, or what I call that... Aero Peek, Aero
Shake, that sort of thing.
One thing I find useful... open up several apps so that your desktop is covered. Now move your mouse to the far right of the task bar...there
everything goes transparent. Click there and everything minimises. Click
again, and everything is back on the desktop. Also, the thumbnails on
the taskbar "superbar" items, along with the jump lists (which you won't see right after installing... you need to use your apps a few times to
get a jump list for them..)
I generally don't add pictures, etc., though will if seems applicable to the conversation. ...Lately getting a lot of ASCII drawing practice:
audio-video cable. ...Wonder if the 1,000 mile trip is going to be
coming early this year?!
First off - wow! What happened? No messages in here for the better
part of a week?
Not seeing what the major differences are between it and Vista though. Mostly back-end stuff maybe?
the ones I gave that address to, and those are generally junk anyway. I GH>get my "real" email via my "real" account, using Outlook 2003.
My Rogers account has 7 emails. If I create one and then later delete
it, I get that one back on my count. I can (and sometimes do) use this GH>the same way...
It has slacked off a bit. I guess these things go in spurts.
Or Gregg was busy doing taxes again.
year). I did my taxes using Intuit - online. It was actually a fairly DP>painless experience, which surprised me.
At the time Windows Live was the cheap-and-easy fix to regain my e-mail. ...Not saying it's good, just was the easiest way. <g>
Easy, yeah, because it is similar enough to OE that setup is
simple. Good, not even as good as OE, and many consider OE to be
the worst <G>
because you had OE set to get your Hotmail emails via POP3, youThis line?
saw it in OE, not on the Hotmail site...
Received: from servera05.tk2adsmtp4.msn.com ([207.46.222.225]) by bay0-mc12-f19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668);
Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:12:14 -0700
That would seem to come from MSFT and the IP address, when you
look it up, does belong to msn.com
There's also:
Return-Path: communications@microsoft.msn.com
Which could be a dummy... MSFT wouldn't put a real email address
in, else they would be flooded with replies, very few of them
actually having to do with the subject of the email <G>
Yes, in a recent search (past week or so) did find information on how to alter Outlook Express to work; I don't recall seeing the detailed instructions when I was looking for it last year. (I also noted the copyright on the PDF instructions was 2010 -- about six months after the change.)
Which means little... if they updated it (and this is possible,
since MSFT is constantly changing how things are done <G>), then
it might have a current copyright date on it
First off - wow! What happened? No messages in here for theOr they left home and didn't remember to brig anything to keep in
better part of a week?
Did everyone pack up and go home?
contact with! ...I was 'missing' messages for at least three days --
was wondering if something happened.
I think Gregg mentioned it: he's an accountant and it's now tax
season. As Sean Connery would say: "thus endeth the lesson". :)
Secondly: I've just purchased and installed Windows 7 HomeThat's good. Still running XP here and will probably stay with it.
Premium 64- bit. Spent the better of the day getting all of my programs re- installed and they seem to be working just fine now.
Where's your sense of adventure dude? :)
simple. Good, not even as good as OE, and many consider OE to be
the worst <G>
Another fine product from Microsoft! <g>
That would seem to come from MSFT and the IP address, when you
look it up, does belong to msn.com
But can the two be spoofed?
Right. And since Outlook Express isn't all that different with the
Windows Live Mail I'm currently using it doesn't seem worthwhile for me
to go back to it.
Same here, although lately, I seem to be using a picture of
either a raspberry or blackberries more and more <GG>
You're including pictures of cell phones and PDAs??!!
And hopefully this time I can get LogMeIn to work -- last trip it didn't but the switch failed here. A little hard to communicate when the
network is down!
You mean his clients wouldn't understand they need to "be put on hold"
when he gets e-mail from us just like he has to be put on hold when his clients get cell phone calls and Twitters? <g>
THERE HE IS!!
Riight! That had slipped my mind. (Well not the tax season - the fact that you and the tax season go hand in hand around this time of the
Well not completely painless. At my first go, I thought I owed money.
I took another look and realized I had forgotten to input one of the deductables. And now I have a small (oh so very small) refund coming
back.
You know, I had given some serious thought to changing all of the ACLS
in the root to give me all privs, but then thought: "hmm. They've made
it this way for a reason. Better not fudge around with it". The
idea.see right after installing... you need to use your apps a few times to get a jump list for them..)
This sounds like what Mac does, so I'm already familiar with it.
Doesn't matter who thought of it first though: it's just a damned good
Speaking of which, I think I'm going to "investigate" the "Outlook Connector" that enables access of my Hotmail account. It gives the impression that it can go fetch other web-based e-mail accounts.
simple. Good, not even as good as OE, and many consider OE to beAnother fine product from Microsoft! <g>
the worst <G>
Isn't it amazing how a single company can come up with stuff as
good as it does, AND as bad as it does? <G>
That would seem to come from MSFT and the IP address, when youBut can the two be spoofed?
look it up, does belong to msn.com
Yes... virtually any/all parts of an email header can be spoofed,
other than via sophisticated software which can detect the real
stuff...
Right. And since Outlook Express isn't all that different with the Windows Live Mail I'm currently using it doesn't seem worthwhile for me
to go back to it.
A matter of opinion... I would use OE over WLM anytime, without a
doubt.
Isn't it amazing how a single company can come up with stuff as
good as it does, AND as bad as it does? <G>
In a word, yes. One can't do everything and do it right (jack of all trades, master of none). One the one hand it makes sense for one company
to be in control of everything running under its operating system ==>
allows for consistency and compatability. Of course that would imply
they should also be making all the modems, printers, network
hardware......
On the other hand, allowing outsiders who are specialists to 'do their thing', using the specifications and guidelines of the overseeing company tends to make more sense to me.
Somehow I was going to try to get in the differences between studio and independent producers but got myself side-tracked. They still have to follow the basic rules (film size, speeds,etc.).
OK. So it would be best to be on guard for "suspicious activity", as always.
I'm also planning on migrating to Linux (probably Ubuntu) [how long has that project been in the works?!] and OE nor WLM will work (directly). Probably looking at a Mozilla product.
goodwill only, and if any of them ever put me on hold for a cell
phone call or twitter, he/she would find themselves no longer a
client in merely the time it would take me to hang up.
<smile>
year). I did my taxes using Intuit - online. It was actually a fairly DP>painless experience, which surprised me.
I've been using the online version of Taxact for several years now.
Here in the US, the online tax preparers have, through the IRS, offered free preparation, e-filing, and printing of your federal tax return.
State returns, of course, cost extra, and complicated federal returns generally aren't free.
I paid $13.95 US for my federal e-filed return, plus preparation and e-filing of my Arkansas tax return. Since I've been using the online version for three or four years, it pulls in my information from prior years' returns.
They try to up sell you to their "data protection service", where they
keep a copy of your return on their servers for up to five years. I
just print a copy of my return{s} to PDF and skip the "data protection service."
theI haven't tried Aero shake. I've read about it, but still don't get
concept, I guess.
1. Open up a bunch of windows
2. Pick the one you like and place the mouse at the top of the
bar. 3. Shake the mouse so that the window moves back and forth
4. Watch all of the other windows minimize at once.
It's cool to watch. I don't know how much practical use it is
though. ---
May be very useful in a business environment: quickly closes the
Solitaire game, the window you're reading ILInk in, and the one
streaming video of some TV show, leaving only the corporate spreadsheet
up and open!
Riight! That had slipped my mind. (Well not the tax season - the fact that you and the tax season go hand in hand around this time of the
You have spent many years giving me grief because I was an accountant,
and NOW you decide to forget? To quote Carroll in another conference... "Yeah, sure!" <GG>
the pastWell not completely painless. At my first go, I thought I owed money. I took another look and realized I had forgotten to input one of the deductables. And now I have a small (oh so very small) refund coming back.
Now you know why people get accountants (and me) to do their
"simplified" tax return <G> But I do know how you feel... I finally, for
two years, have gotten a small refund for the first time in some 25 years... and all it took to get it was high medical bills, and being "retired" and on CPP disability <G>
madeYou know, I had given some serious thought to changing all of the ACLS in the root to give me all privs, but then thought: "hmm. They've
two,it this way for a reason. Better not fudge around with it". The
The biggest reason for that is because many newer virus/malware use the root of the drive for their baddies, most often by hiding within
something already there, and necessary. I have a small REG file (well,
actually... one to uninstall) that, when installed, adds an item to the right click context menu called "Take Ownership". If I run into a snag doing something because I don't have ownership of a file or folder, I can use that to take care of it...
hisYou mean his clients wouldn't understand they need to "be put on hold" when he gets e-mail from us just like he has to be put on hold when
time itclients get cell phone calls and Twitters? <g>
I am forcibly "retired" and am not allowed any income outside of my disability payments. As a result, my "clients" are such on my goodwill only, and if any of them ever put me on hold for a cell phone call or twitter, he/she would find themselves no longer a client in merely the
would take me to hang up.
Isn't it amazing how a single company can come up with stuff asIn a word, yes. One can't do everything and do it right (jack of all trades, master of none). One the one hand it makes sense for one company to be in control of everything running under its operating system ==>
good as it does, AND as bad as it does? <G>
Like apple, you mean <G>
allows for consistency and compatability. Of course that would imply
they should also be making all the modems, printers, network hardware......
Like Apple... or how they once were until the market forced them
out of that <GG>
On the other hand, allowing outsiders who are specialists to 'do their thing', using the specifications and guidelines of the overseeing company tends to make more sense to me.
And me, but it sure does make a mess of trying to design an OS
and other software to fit such many and varied systems... It also
forces reliance upon those outsiders to perform rapidly when
updates are required, which doesn't always happen
Somehow I was going to try to get in the differences between studio and independent producers but got myself side-tracked. They still have to follow the basic rules (film size, speeds,etc.).
But can develop their own thoughts and ideas, even if not fully commercially viable... IOW a niche market for Indies...
OK. So it would be best to be on guard for "suspicious activity", as always.
Absolutely. You can, to be honest, never let your guard down.
Those that do risk getting a virus or malware, and possibly even contributing to the problem...
I'm also planning on migrating to Linux (probably Ubuntu) [how long has that project been in the works?!] and OE nor WLM will work (directly). Probably looking at a Mozilla product.
If that is the case, you might want to drop WLM and look at
Thunderbird. It is a good replacement for OE when it comes to
email, and since
believe it is also available for Linux, might have a smaller
learning curve when (and if <G>) you ever do switch...
I haven't tried Aero shake. I've read about it, but still don't get
e
concept, I guess.May be very useful in a business environment: quickly closes the
1. Open up a bunch of windows
2. Pick the one you like and place the mouse at the top of the
bar. 3. Shake the mouse so that the window moves back and forth
4. Watch all of the other windows minimize at once.
It's cool to watch. I don't know how much practical use it is though. ---
Solitaire game, the window you're reading ILInk in, and the one
streaming video of some TV show, leaving only the corporate spreadsheet
up and open!
That can't be right. XP (and I think Windows 2000) allows you to
minimize everything at once (Windows key + D) or switch to the
application of your choice (ALT-TAB). There's got to be another
reason for this. ---
ARGHHH!! <ggg> Other considerations on this end are time (if I play
with the OE configuration I don't have that time to do something else). BM>I'm also planning on migrating to Linux (probably Ubuntu) [how long has BM>that project been in the works?!] and OE nor WLM will work (directly). BM>Probably looking at a Mozilla product.
ARGHHH!! <ggg> Other considerations on this end are time (if I play
with the OE configuration I don't have that time to do something else).
I'm also planning on migrating to Linux (probably Ubuntu) [how long has
that project been in the works?!] and OE nor WLM will work (directly).
Probably looking at a Mozilla product.
The "Smart Computing" article that I saw suggests setting up
Ubuntu to launch from a flash drive. The reference was unetbootin.sourceforge.net . I started on that a couple of
weeks ago, but didn't complete the job. I must try again.
conference...You have spent many years giving me grief because I was an accountant, and NOW you decide to forget? To quote Carroll in another
"Yeah, sure!" <GG>
"Keep 'em rocking on the back of their heels" I learn well from my masters.
two years, have gotten a small refund for the first time in some 25 years... and all it took to get it was high medical bills, and being "retired" and on CPP disability <G>
Seems like way too high a price to pay to get money back from the feds.
Ah well. May as well take what you can get. How long before you
collect OAS Gregg? *grin*
canright click context menu called "Take Ownership". If I run into a snag doing something because I don't have ownership of a file or folder, I
use that to take care of it...
Does this become necessary very often with Win7? So far I've not had
to do it at all. Turns out my real need was just to see hidden folders
so that I could manipulate some files. Didn't need to change the
security.
---
Ý MM 1.1 #0366 Ý
Whoever thought, back before the wide use of the internet, that people would email each other when their desks are 20 feet apart? Or that
idiots (sorry, but that's how I see them) would tell the entire world that they're on their way to the bathroom now, via Twitter? Did you know there's a whole criminal culture who prey on these folk, taking particular note when they advise the world when they're leaving their house, just so they can know when to break in and rob them? *shakes head* Amazing.
Plus, with Firefox/Thunderbird, any of the extensions you might have in
the Windows version, will run on the Linux version.
accountant,You have spent many years giving me grief because I was an
conference...and NOW you decide to forget? To quote Carroll in another
"Yeah, sure!" <GG>
"Keep 'em rocking on the back of their heels" I learn well from my masters.
You mean the ones who regularly get turfed out of office because their "slaves" (aka constituents) figure out what is going on and revolt?
Ah well. May as well take what you can get. How long before you collect OAS Gregg? *grin*
Hush up... (and it is 5 1/2 years, if you must know <G>)
snagright click context menu called "Take Ownership". If I run into a
folder, I candoing something because I don't have ownership of a file or
foldersuse that to take care of it...
Does this become necessary very often with Win7? So far I've not had to do it at all. Turns out my real need was just to see hidden
Andso that I could manipulate some files. Didn't need to change the security.
It is not necessary very often, however, when I am working on someone else's computer, Often their set up is not what I would use, and as a result, I may have to take ownership of something at least temporarily.
this is why I also have the uninstall REG... so that I can remove the context menu item when I am done. Had to do that not too long back on a Vista box that would not let Office 2007 install. Wrong ownership on a particular folder (plus some registry keys) that I had to modify to allow the install.
thatWhoever thought, back before the wide use of the internet, that people would email each other when their desks are 20 feet apart? Or that idiots (sorry, but that's how I see them) would tell the entire world
particularthey're on their way to the bathroom now, via Twitter? Did you know there's a whole criminal culture who prey on these folk, taking
sonote when they advise the world when they're leaving their house, just
touchthey can know when to break in and rob them? *shakes head* Amazing.
I am aware of that criminal sub-culture, which is part of the reason
why I do not do Facebook, or Twitter or any of those. Even IM... I only turn on Trillian about twice a day, to see who is online at the time, and see if I want to chat. Most times, it is on and off again. I have used Messenger on my phone... just to try it out and make sure it works <G>. Haven't turned it on since, except once by accident (my thumbs are sometimes too large and innaccurate, especially when shaking, for those
screens).
forces reliance upon those outsiders to perform rapidly when
updates are required, which doesn't always happen
Or at all, as in the instances of drivers not being available for
devices after Windows XP.
Of course, some 'niche products' and designs break open a barrier --
Hey! This is a great idea! How come we didn't think of it years ago!
believe it is also available for Linux, might have a smaller
learning curve when (and if <G>) you ever do switch...
Yes. Thunderbird keeps coming up. Would be easier on my poor confused brain cells to have e-mail/communications similar between the two OSs.
forces reliance upon those outsiders to perform rapidly whenOr at all, as in the instances of drivers not being available for
updates are required, which doesn't always happen
devices after Windows XP.
True, but I suspect much of that was marketing... rather than
make new drivers for old hardware, hope that people will upgrade
their hardware. More money in that...
Of course, some 'niche products' and designs break open a barrier --
Hey! This is a great idea! How come we didn't think of it years ago!
Because it wouldn't have sold then? <GG>
believe it is also available for Linux, might have a smallerYes. Thunderbird keeps coming up. Would be easier on my poor confused brain cells to have e-mail/communications similar between the two OSs.
learning curve when (and if <G>) you ever do switch...
If I were to think of switching to Linux, I would do similar...
Firefox and Thunderbird are similar enough between the two OS' to
make the switch easier... at least for the basics.
And what's "funny" either Microsoft or Qwest (telephone company and my
DSL provider) essentially forced me to switch from Outlook Express to Windows Live about a year ago. _Could_ have retained use of OE but
How did they do that? I don't see any way they could... even by
removing Outlook Express/Windows Mail from Windows 7, MSFT still
can't force anyone to use Windows Live Mail.
So I guess what the question is, what do I configure so the animated GIF is animated when I insert it?
Haven't any idea, sir. Sorry, but I wouldn't touch Windows Live
Mail with a 10 foot pole (or an 11 foot Ukranian <G>) and have no
idea how you might configure it, or even why it doesn't show it
properly in the first place...
Wasn't along the lines of strong-arm tactics but removal of support for Outlook Express. In this case it seemed to be less of a hassle to
switch than fight (to paraphrase an old-old cigarette commercial <g>).
I am afraid that I am still on the dark (fairly normal for me <G>)...
how would they drop support for OE? The same settings you would use in GH>Thunderbird would be used in OE... the same POP address, SMTP address, and GH>so on...
I am afraid that I am still on the dark (fairly normal for me <G>)... GH>how would they drop support for OE? The same settings you would use in
I thought I was the only one having trouble "seeing the light" on this
one. OE shipped with just about every MS OS except Vista and later, so
I'm confused as well. <G>
Thank you, thank you! I was beginning to think that I was missing GH>something here, that there was some way to drop support for OE, when it was GH>MSFT that changed it in Vista, but didn't drop support for it, even GH>then...
About a month earlier I had received a message from "Microsoft Support"
(kill date in the e-mail was the first; I couldn't connect starting the BM>second) as when my unable to connect started I downloaded Live and was
Wasn't along the lines of strong-arm tactics but removal of support for Outlook Express. In this case it seemed to be less of a hassle to<G>)... how would they drop support for OE? The same settings you would use
switch than fight (to paraphrase an old-old cigarette commercial <g>).
I am afraid that I am still on the dark (fairly normal for me
Thunderbird would be used in OE... the same POP address, SMTP
address, and so on...
it ever was, was a basic e-mail client and newsgroup reader, I don't
know how they could drop support for it. Unless Barry is talking about
Can't really answer that as I don't know what was done on their end. On this end merrily using OE. Next morning unable to connect: think I got
an error message indicating user name anr/or password invalid. Same
error that night and the next morning.
About a month earlier I had received a message from "Microsoft Support" (may or may not be the exact name) indicating OE would no longer be able
to be used effective such-and-such a date, do blah-blah to remain
Microsoft does not, repeat NOT, ever send spam email messages to the GH>general populus telling them any such thing or any thing at all, for that
About a month earlier I had received a message from "Microsoft Support"
I'd be suspicious about any message from "Microsoft Support."
They don't normally send out e-mails like that, unless you've
signed up for some sort of mailing list, like the TechNet list,
or something like that.
(kill date in the e-mail was the first; I couldn't connect starting the
second) as when my unable to connect started I downloaded Live and was
I just sent you an e-mail from my copy of Outlook Express on this
machine. It went out just fine.
Can't really answer that as I don't know what was done on their end. On this end merrily using OE. Next morning unable to connect: think I got
an error message indicating user name anr/or password invalid. Same
error that night and the next morning.
Okay... but I am afraid that I can't see how this could be a
problem with using OE to connect. I can see it as being a problem
with this...
About a month earlier I had received a message from "Microsoft Support" (may or may not be the exact name) indicating OE would no longer be able to be used effective such-and-such a date, do blah-blah to remain
Microsoft does not, repeat NOT, ever send spam email messages to
the general populus telling them any such thing or any thing at
received and opened such an email, you may have inadvertently
infected yourself with something which would cause OE to work
incorrectly. As example, a trojan style thing which uses your OE
to send "spreading" spam out, also purporting to be from MSFT,
and appearing to not connect to prevent you from interfering.
thae last updates. As it isn't really part of the OS, but an "add on", GH>they could do this, just as they could remove Windows Mail from Win 7...
<Checking there> Yup: "coming to you "almost live" from Searcy,
Arkansas - temporarily using Outlook Express <G>" More of a problem on BM>this end -- they (Qwest, MSN, someone) stopped supporting it.
If you had to change something to get the two to work together, please GH>let me know. Ondrej has been quite interested in the things stated here GH>about Avast already... I am sure he would love to hear about that...
1) Then that would not be Barry's ISP dropping support for OE, but MSFT GH>changing something
2) There was no change in OE, nor did OE drop support for Hotmail, etc. GH>It was actually the other way around... Hotmail dropped support for the GH>things in OE that allowed a Hotmail (non POP3) account to be accessed GH>using a POP3 type email application
Well, I was able to send him an e-mail message from the copy of Outlook Express installed on this XP Home w/SP3 system. Sending and receiving
both worked, after I changed the settings to suit Avast.
As Barry pointed out (finally), what he was talking about was they
dropped support for accessing Hotmail and other Windows Live e-mail addresses via Outlook Express. And, M$ did sent out some sort of notice about that. I do remember that now.
I don't know: the day after the message said it wasn't going to work it stopped working and never worked again.
Support"About a month earlier I had received a message from "Microsoft
able(may or may not be the exact name) indicating OE would no longer be
to be used effective such-and-such a date, do blah-blah to remain
A little checking at http://www.qwest.com/internethelp/email/:
I had to turn off SSL/TLS encryption on the server settings, at the
behest of Avast, which stated that it would handle the encryption
itself.
And the difference from what I said was...?
Microsoft dropped the support, which is what I think I said.
abbreviated version of another (Outlook)? Let's try this Live thing --
if I don't like it I can always try the work-around or another e-mail client.
As you indicated, they probably did a mass mailing based on "Outlook Express = True, Qwest address = True" sort of thing. LIS, I would have
earlier message, I looked for but didn't find anything on the Qwest site indicating Outlook Express was on its way out. (Or at least having to be modified from what currently works.) Seems to me that would have been
I don't know: the day after the message said it wasn't going to work it stopped working and never worked again.
But your OP said something about your ISP dropping support for
OEW, while in reality, it now appears that you were talking about
the ability for OE to access Hotmail via POP3, which was dropped
by MSFT... in Hotmail, not OE. MSFT changed Hotmail so that it no
longer supported access to it via a POP3 client.
upport"About a month earlier I had received a message from "Microsoft
bl(may or may not be the exact name) indicating OE would no longer be
to be used effective such-and-such a date, do blah-blah to remainKnowing what I do now, I would hazard a guess that you did NOT
receive that email via a regular email address, but through your
Hotmail address. MSFT does not EVER send out broad spectrum
emails about anything such as that. They do, however, send emails specifically to Hotmail clients to inform them of changes
(critical, usually) to Hotmail itself. That isn't the same as
sending an email to everyone in the world in case they use OE.
would clear up all of the confusion... this has nothing
whatsoever to do with support or lack of support for OE. It has
everything to do with Hotmail (not Qwest... Hotmail) support of
POP3 clients to access their web based email system.
Your ISP uses SSL/TLS encryption? Do you know how rare that is, these
Microsoft dropped the support, which is what I think I said.
I think you did too, but Barry didn't. Way back in the OP, he either
said it was his ISP, or implied such...
abbreviated version of another (Outlook)? Let's try this Live thing -- BM>if I don't like it I can always try the work-around or another e-mail BM>client.
As you indicated, they probably did a mass mailing based on "Outlook BM>Express = True, Qwest address = True" sort of thing. LIS, I would have
other than in the costly "Premium" service. And this isn't just for OE, but GH>for any POP3 client. Outlook would work because it is not only a POP3 GH>client...
<Checking there> Yup: "coming to you "almost live" from Searcy,
Arkansas - temporarily using Outlook Express <G>" More of a problem on
this end -- they (Qwest, MSN, someone) stopped supporting it.
As we found out later, it really was Microsoft. I had forgotten
about them disabling access to Hotmail and MSN addresses from
within Outlook Express.
GREGG HOMMEL wrote to CARROLL MCALLISTER <=-
Windows Mail. But, I downloaded Windows Live Mail, and that's what I installed.
Windows Live Mail is not a "version" of Windows Mail. It is a
separate entity that the Live team at MSFT has been developing
for years, always without ever listening to their beta testers.
It is not Windows Mail, nor is it Outlook, but a (if you will
excuse the expression) bastard born of neither. It has none of
the good from either Windows Mail, or Outlook, but a lot of the
bad <G>
And what's "funny" either Microsoft or Qwest (telephone company and my
DSL provider) essentially forced me to switch from Outlook Express to Windows Live about a year ago. _Could_ have retained use of OE but
So I guess what the question is, what do I configure so the animated GIF
is animated when I insert it?
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